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No Country for Old (Rap) Men: The Curse of Puff Daddy

Posted on July 22, 2016May 7, 2024 by Robbie Ettelson

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Last week’s column which I forgot to post due to stupid real life.

No Country for Old (Rap) Men: The Curse of Puff Daddy

21 thoughts on “No Country for Old (Rap) Men: The Curse of Puff Daddy”

  1. Trevor says:
    July 23, 2016 at

    Nice post Robbie. The real curse of Puff is him putting the hit on Tupac & Shug. Shame that Afeni died recently as I was hoping for a civil trial.

    Btw the Lox’s “if you think I’m jiggy” is a crap record lyrically but I maintain that the beat is pretty dope.

  2. SeanG says:
    July 24, 2016 at

    Mack’s album ‘boring’? always thought exactly the opposite

  3. Dino says:
    July 24, 2016 at

    Missy Elliott and now Bad Boy Ents? I’m not down with the CRC puritanism but c’mon.

  4. Chalee Chace says:
    July 24, 2016 at

    Project Funk The World was dope when it came out and it’s dope now. That little intro before Get Down says it all. Nod your head ish. Problem with Mack was that he was just hiphop. Not an easy sell and it’s amazing that Flava in Your Ear was such a big hit. Biggie had the criminal gangsta angle Puff could market.

  5. doughjoe says:
    July 24, 2016 at

    whatever happened to sauce money?

  6. Kapikap says:
    July 24, 2016 at

    Man death follows this guy around! What was tha last body count?

    Diddy didnt leave a mark ,but a stain. Those remixes are corney.
    Montana sucks!
    Biggie second album should have been a extended lp!
    Craig mack shouldnt have been cut off!
    The band can eat a ***

    Puffy should never have held a mic and spit.

    If he would have only stayed focused with hip hop r n b blends?

  7. oskamadison says:
    July 24, 2016 at

    I hated Bad Boy (other than Biggie, of course) for what they represented back in the day but looking back on it now, they made a lot of good music. G-Dep was the dopest solo artist after Biggie, imo…

  8. Ben Jones says:
    July 25, 2016 at

    Honestly I’m probably gonna some hate for this but most of the stuff Bad Boy dropped in the late 90s/early 2000s was more enjoyable than a lot that cornball indie rap in that era with Hydra and Tru Criminal being the exception. @doughjoe Sauce Money still drops songs here and there.

  9. TYBO2020 says:
    July 26, 2016 at

    SAUCE MONEY WAS NEVER DOWN WITH BAD BOY..HE WAS JAY Z’S HOMIE..PUFF DID PRODUCE ON HIS ALBUM THOUGH..

  10. Robbie says:
    July 26, 2016 at

    @Ben Jones: Pretty much.

  11. Bug says:
    July 26, 2016 at

    A lot of the indie releases were, hit or miss (trash if you prefer) during those days, but putting Puff and his ilk on a pedestal is just the opposite end of the spectrum. How come none of his artists had any longevity besides maybe, Faith Evans? When I think of almost any Puff related a song that I liked, the sample source was probably already a hit. I offer up Mace’s first single (whatever it was called) as proof. I’d rather listen to Kool and the Gang in stead of that sh*t. I digress.

  12. bboycult says:
    July 26, 2016 at

    @Bug….That’s what the fuck is ^ ! ….” Take hits from the 80’s; does it sound so crazy? ” -Puff

    I give Puff 3 originals—‘ Victory ‘ , ‘ All About The Benjamin’s ‘ and ‘ Let’s Get it ‘ …….Other than those it’s still Fuck Tha Shiny Suit Era!

  13. Awkward says:
    July 26, 2016 at

    loads of good indie hip hop, don’t be stupid

  14. Dino says:
    July 26, 2016 at

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53QaezUlxjw

    Try Hard contrarianism has done come full circle. Having run out of mediocre B-sides and generic “deep cuts” to jock, the inevitable apotheosis of Try Hard contrarianism is to champion Bad Boy/Puffy. It’s the ultimate up-is-down, black-is-white and day-is-night stance.

  15. Robbie says:
    July 26, 2016 at

    @Dino: You’ve just convinced me to turn Unkut into a Loon fansite.

  16. doughjoe says:
    July 26, 2016 at

    buck 65 fan can’t tell the difference between shilling and historical observation. CRC is all about nuance, kids.

  17. Dino says:
    July 26, 2016 at

    Sorry to break it to you doughjoe but the emperor is not wearing any clothes; not even a thread of nuance.

  18. Robbie Ettelson says:
    July 26, 2016 at

    @Dino: You can read back through the archives and you’ll find that I’ve never flip-flopped on my stance that Talib is not a good rapper and Black Rob is.

  19. Gx says:
    July 31, 2016 at

    what were robs sample clearance issues?

  20. Robbie says:
    July 31, 2016 at

    @GX: Bad Boy were too cheap to clear the samples on three or four tracks, so the retail versions are replayed.

  21. Slappy White says:
    August 10, 2016 at

    I still have love for Ma$e, he carved out a respectable niche in 90’s hip-hop.

    Plus, I’m fairly certain that he’s the ONLY rapper to ever appear on studio songs with Big L (American Dream, Uptown Connection, etc.), Biggie Smalls (Mo’ Money Mo’ Problem, Only You, etc.), and Big Pun (Is It You (Deja Vu) Remix).

    So, for that reason alone, he should be considered a legend.

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