Best known for his two independent singles and involvement with Marley Marl’s Future Flavas radio show, Staten Island’s J.Force revealed that he has a long history in the rap game dating back to the late 80’s when he sat down to share his story with me recently.
Robbie: How did you start in the music game?
J. Force: I made a record in 1993 called ‘Bullseye’. I sampled Black Moon ‘How Many MC’s’ and I mixed in Special Ed ‘Think About It’. Came out with a single in ’94, pumped it out my trunk, I wound-up selling to two major retailers in the city of New York – one was Fat Beats Records, the other one was Beat Street in Brooklyn – and it was all history from there. A lotta overseas people came to those stores and bought the record. I had a logo of a jester on the sticker. I also mixed it at the House of Hits with Marley Marl. I was fortunate enough to get Marley to mix the first record. Then I put out a second record in ’95, called ‘For All Thoze’ and ‘Runnin’ On E’, and Marley mixed those as well. I sampled Deathwish on ‘For All Thoze’, and for ‘Bullseye’ as well. That was my favorite soundtrack for a long time.
How did you meet Marley originally?
The first time I spoke to Marley was at a record store. There was a vinyl spot in Nanuet called Tapeville USA, and he’s like, ‘Don’t I know you from somewhere?’ I’m like, ‘Yeah, I brought Mike Tyson to your show on WBLS’. He was like, ‘Oh shit! What’s your name?’ Then I said to him, ‘Out of everybody that took that Otis Redding sample for ‘The Symphony’, what in the world possessed you to change the beat for part 2? ‘Cos I don’t like part 2’. Marley appreciated my honesty. He said, ‘What are you doing tonight? Do you wanna kick it for a little bit?’
How did you know Mike Tyson?
I was in front of WBLS in 1988, and my friend had this 380GX car that he was parking, and then we see him! We just wound-up talking to him. He had two bodyguards that looked like they’d had it with him – they were done watching him for the day – he was like, ‘Yo, let’s go party’. We were like, ‘Nah, I’m trying to get into WBLS’. He’s like, ‘What are you doing going to WBLS, white boy?’ I said, ‘I’m going to check-out Marley Marl and Kevvie Kev‘. He was like, ‘You know I’m a KISS [FM] man myself. I’m a Red Alert man, but I’ll go fuck with Marley’. So we went up and Marley was freaking out over the fact that Mike Tyson was rolling into his show. Marley taped us that night, because BET was doing a story on him. Mike made me rap for Marley and everything. I was nervous and stuff, but…Marley still has it on tape, by the way, it was a really embarrassing moment – I had long hair.
Why did you have long hair if you were a rap fan back then?
I’m a rock drummer by nature. I was brought-up playing he drums. That was around the time when jean jackets and long tweed coats were in style, and that was my look. What was ill about me was I could spit like I was from the hood, but I didn’t look anything like it, so it was kinda wild to see. I was tall and skinny with long hair. I was so nervous to be around Marley, he was like a god to me. I actually learned a lot from working with him and watching how he cuts records and produces and stuff. That was the best education in the world.
A couple of years later I ended-up doing the Future Flavas with Marley Marl and Pete Rock, where of course I rocked he SP-1200 live on the air. I collected a barrage of freestyles and exclusives from 50 Cent, Lloyd Banks, U-God. I had one with Sauce Money, KRS, Black Rob, just a whole bunch. I was just bangin’ out all these exclusives before and after the show, that was my thing for a minute. I don’t know if you remember that record ‘Kingz Kounty’, by Jaz-O? I did that one as well. I was always on the b-side. I got no credit on ‘Kingz Kounty’. I was also on Rawkus, on a Big Daddy Kane test-pressing that was called ‘Three’s Company’, and the flipside, which was my record, called ‘Foundation Symphony’, where I chopped the ‘Cramp Your Style’ break. I did a whole slew of movies with the networks – BET and VH1. I did the whole Beef series; I did Bling for VH1, which was the Blood Diamond story. I also did Rock The Bells for Open Road Films – that was the Wu-Tang Clan movie, the last Ol’ Dirty Bastard live on stage performance. A movie called The MC. I rocked with Killa Sha, and of late I did two Roc Marciano remixes – ‘Warm Hennessy’ and ‘Do The Honors’. I made it into the SP-1200 official book, which is coming out with a hard-cover right now. I’ve been rocking the SP-1200 for many years.
I enjoyed the Cadillac Respect remix project you did earlier this year. What was the inspiration behind that?
I call them ‘Revisits’, they’re technically not remixes. I called-up the old classics that made-up the Golden Era of the game in the 90’s, most of the stuff that I’m missing nowadays. I figure just let me revisit these joints, which really hasn’t been done before. I’ve been blessed – Kayslay has been playing them, the Heavy Hitters – and I haven’t even started pushing it yet. There’s an original joint from me on there called ‘Pink Chicken’ – we might come out with that as a single around Christmas time with a new joint on there.
I always liked ‘For All Thoze’. Was that you’re most popular joint?
A lotta people ignored ‘For All Thoze’, except for DJ Premier and Stretch Armstrong – two of my favorite DJ’s. They played everything I ever did, for which I’m equally blessed. I was on ‘Battle of the Beats’ back in the day on Hot 97 with ‘For All Thoze’. It went up against Lost Boys ‘Music Makes Me High’ [Remix]. Just a little tidbit for ya. I lost…
Why did you stop rhyming after those two singles?
I heard Jo Jo Pelligrino back in the day, and I kinda felt like this is not really my 24 hour thing. I like to fish for samples and make beats. I actually produced about four for Jo Jo, at the same time I was working with Killa Sha and a couple of other guys that were coming to the House of Hits. Larry-O had a group, and I was working on some stuff that didn’t come out. I really did take a step from rapping. I started getting closer to my 30’s at the time, and I felt like, ‘It’s a young man’s sport’. I kinda felt like I was too old to keep rapping.
When had you started rapping?
Kev-E-Kev and AK B, they had a crew back in’87,’88, and I was the white kid in the crew that rhymed. They were the GMC Crew. In that time I recorded a barrage of demos produced by Kev-E-Kev and AK B. We did a buncha joints – ‘Identical To None’, I did a song called ‘Skeezer’, another song called ‘Ultimate One’, one song called ‘Brace Yourself’. I’d love to find them, some of them were pretty good! They were DNA Records, Super Lover Cee‘s label, and they were actually produced by the late, great Paul C. McKasty and Marley Marl. We did some WBLS shows around the map, and in years after that, I ran into Ski from the Bizzie Boys at WBLS and wound-up becoming a member of Payroll Productions, which was the Bizzie Boys, Supreme Nyborn and all those guys from North Carolina. So I ended-up fusing with them – shout-out to DJ K-Nice. They’re coming out with a 25th anniversary record too.
To make a longer story even longer – I’ve been rapping forever. That’s what I did after the deejaying, after the breakdancing. I was also in a Pringles commercial, breakdancing in 1986 – token white boy! [laughs] I was nasty at the popping and ticking, I used to do all of that stuff. I kinda did everything but graffiti. I was deejaying the whole time that I was rapping, and eventually I got sick of just waiting on other people to get me beats, so I started fishing for my own stuff. I fell in love with the SP-1200 around 1990, 1991. I’m holding some heat, Rob. If the ball would start to really roll quick, right now, I’ve got about a ten year run without even making another beat. Cadillac Respect is just the tip of the iceberg. A lot of those were Future Flavas exclusives that were never available ’till now. It was like I made a business card with some catchy little interludes.
Those Future Flavas remixes were one of the highlights of the show for me.
I had two SP-1200’s and a mixer, and I was right next to Pete Rock with the two turntables, and I would rock live. We had Mobb Deep there one night, and so was Heltah Skeltah, and they would freestyle live over my music, over the SP-1200 beats. The Roots were airing it out too, for like 20 minutes I would keep popping beats in! I used to love it, I used to do it all for the props.
How long were you with the show?
I would say from ’98 to 2001, or if not, ’99 to 2002…I have no conception of time or years. We did a coupe of Westwood shows, too, on the weekend. We would rock in the UK and America at the same time. It was pretty ill. Marley was ill because he would rock right outta his house! He brought all the old transmitters from the old Hot 97 and he put it in his house, so all the guests came to Marley’s house.
What were some of the highlights?
One was the Black Rob freestyle. He had the ‘Woah’ record out strong at the moment and he just lit it up. Heltah Skeltah – Sean Price and his partner – they were airing-out a J. Force beat for twenty-something minutes on the air, it was crazy. There was also a cat who no one ever heard of again, his name is Unabomber. He was killin’ about three beats that I set him, all in a row. The Raekwon exclusive that I did – I did a revisit of a Raekwon record that never came out. They’ve never released that.
We would rock on the air, after the show was over I would ask Marley, ‘Do you want to step into Studio A and make any of these exclusives? Just grab the rapper and go record it for real’. He was like, ‘If you wanna do that, man, that’s cool’. So right after the show we’d walk across the hall, literally, into the A Room, where Mama Said Knock You Out was recorded. Same studio that they recorded all the Juice Crew stuff, ‘The Symphony’. Marley has a radio room, a mixing room, a recording room – all in his house.
That was the big place with the pool, right?
Marley’s House of Hits – Chestnut Ridge, New York. He went from the Bridge to the Ridge!
What other stuff did you do with Killa Sha?
We did a track called ‘Analyse’. I really didn’t love the beat, I just was playing him beats one day and he’s like, ‘Yo Force! I love that one!’ I’m like, ‘Really?’ I put it on by accident. He jumped all over it, I had the hook right on the disc. He ran with it. I’ve got some cutting-room floor Kila Sha lyrics, from a K-1 track, that I put a beat to. It’s a ‘now’ beat, it was supposed to be on Good Shepard. I also did the ‘Black Dracula’. I discredited on that by accident, Marley got the credit but I really did it.
Can you tell me more about hanging with Kev-E-Kev and AK B?
We were all upstate guys for a second, and they were the only guys up in town making noise. They had a deal with DNA Records – which was Super Lover Cee and Cassanova Rudd‘s label – and they were performing with those guys. I would go to some of the show’s in the city, and all round that time Paul C. was like a monster on the beats. I was like, ‘Wow! A white dude making beats!’ He was almost an inspiration for me as a young protege. I felt like, ‘Maybe it’s not impossible that I could get on the production tip’. Then he was murdered. It was just a really weird time, it’s kinda where everything fell apart. DNA never put the record out.
I was approached by this Canadian label [Goodfelons] for my ‘Bullseye’ record, which was going for $150 on Ebay – I did such limited pressings of it, maybe two or three thousand copies – and I turned them on to Kev-E-Kev and Ak B and they were like, ‘You have unreleased Paul C records with them?’ It’s called Welcome To Dopeland. It’s half produced by Paul C. and half produced by Marley Marl. They’re doing an instrumental version of the album too. That’s about to come out any minute now. I can’t wait to get my own copy of it, I’m a vinyl junkie too – I collect all that crap.
Nice. DNA was Hank Love’s label wasn’t it?
Correct. They also had a radio show, they used to do a ‘Star For A Night’ segment. They had Super Lover Cee ‘Do The James’,they had Kev-E-Kev and Ak B which came out with ‘Listen To The Man’ 12″ and the second one, ‘Keep On Doin’, but the album never came out.
There were implications involving Super Lover Cee and Paul C’s murder, right?
Yeah, people thought that Super Lover Cee let the murderer into the studio, there were all kinds of rumors. Super Lover Cee was on the run for a little while, he ran outta the state, was what I heard. They were never the ones that did that, but they were just implicated. I remember people said that Eric B. had something to do with it. It was crazy that time, man. I actually have Paul C. SP-1200 drum discs that I can load into my machine, which is a little spooky.
What happened with the Payroll Records connection?
I was supposed to come out on Payroll, but right before I did the label went under. I was gonna be one of the first white boys to rhyme on record, but it never happened for me. I went to Wild Pitch trying to get a deal and we were pitching to Loud. I was going back for two or three meetings with each label and they were like, ‘Wow, how do we market this?’. My style was nothing how my image portrayed. No one knew I was white on any one of my records. Me and Willski were very tight for a while. He had a song [with Original Flavor] called ‘Best Friend’s Girl’ which I wrote with him in a diner in New Jersey.
Within that same time, we were working out of studio in Inglewood called RPM. At RPM, a record I was working on with the engineer called ‘Dippity’ came out on East Harlem Records, which was the East Side Hoods. They had three or four 12″s at the time. It was the b-side to a track called ‘Funky Smiles’. It was in the Supercat era, like ’93 – my first real record that I did on wax wasn’t rapping at all. That was actually played pretty heavy, that’s actually the first J. Force vinyl.
One of those party breaks records?
Yeah, it’s called ‘Dippity’. I actually got the credit on that one too. I took Lou Reed ‘Wild Side’, I took Black Sheep ‘Choice Is Yours’, I took the Public Enemy break-beat, I had the Malcolm McLaren in there.
What did you make that track on?
I hooked it up on the SP-1200 and the S-950. I just left this track in the studio, I never thought it would become anything, and sure enough the owner of East Harlem Records actually took the master and mixed it. When he saw me, he was like, ‘By the way, I’m putting this on the b-side of my new East Side Hoods joint. You weren’t doing nothing with it’. It was pretty cool.
When did you get your SP-1200?
When I graduated high school. A sports commentator, Jimmy Cavallo, used to have a show on ESPN called Cavallo’s Corner. He actually fronted me the money to get the SP-1200. It was $1,700 I believe, one of the last models with the black trim on it. That was 1991.
What was the first live show you ever saw?
The Dope Jam Tour at Madison Square Garden. It was KRS-One, Eric B. and Rakim, Public Enemy and LL Cool J. I was in the twefth row from the stage. Nuts!
Did LL jump out of the huge boom box?
Yeah! He did ‘I’m Bad’ and the boombox came from the sky! Then he jumped out of the tape deck of a box radio. He was the main event. Scott La Rock had just got killed at that time, so KRS-One performed with his picture on the stage, with the turntables in front of it. It was crazy.
Thanks Robbie. Really great interview (as per usual).
nice insight.thanks.
Very interesting read. You done did it again, Rob
Yo, should have asked if he knows anything about Killa Sha’s “Shepard” album!
If he had beats on there and shit
dope interview!!! only had heard of this dude…didn’t know his history with Marley. that “three’s company” track is on Marley’s BBE album and is pretty dope
HAHA!!! Crazy you posted this interview!! Just listened to “Bullseye” last night. Never woulda’ guessed dude was white…great work as always Robbie!
Nice one.
What can I say this music I have been jumping from artist to artist on this site. Love the beats.
It really bothered me this White guy is a huge Donald Trump supporter, Italians were so racist to us growing up in BK but I thought this dude was different because of his talents but when I found out he was one of those crazy white people trump supporters, I was like you cant trust none these motherfuckers.
Being a Donald Trump supporter does not mean you hate a race or that you think your race is superior to another’s. Stop with that defamation and libel and provide tangible facts that prove J. Force is a racist! Obama and the Clintons support killing black people through the genocide of abortion. If you are a hip hopper, you should be concerned about black genocide. Who out here loves them? Who voted for them? Reveal yourselves. By this logic, you are a racist, lover of killing babies–mostly black. Hillary praised KKK Exalted Cyclops Senator Robert Byrd. When he died, she said he was “a friend and mentor” and “a man surpassing eloquence and nobility.” And she never disavowed the endorsement of KKK Grand Dragon Will Quigg. Oh, and we can’t forget the words Farrakhan had in support for Trump. What rappers love Farrakhan? Let’s boycott them all. Let’s go to the South Side of Chicago on march against Louis. So, is Farrakhan is a racist against black people? Answer that question–it isn’t rhetorical. Robbie, this is a big issue in the community–shall we spend some time to talk about it? Let’s chat.
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DONALD TRUMP IS NOT A RACIST? HIS FOLLOWERS AREN’T RACIST???
Youre a special kind of DUMB MOTHERFUCKER. You might as well say the KKK isn’t racist either you fucking redneck piece of shit!
Trump hates People of color and if you cant tell by what he has said or who supports him???
How can a black man be racist in AmeriKKKA you dumb redneck fuck!
AB LEAVE HIP-HOP IT’S NOT A CULTURE FOR YOU FUCKING REDNECKS!!!! FUCK YOU AND DONALD TRUMP.
YOU SUPPORT THE SAME ASSHOLE THAT THE KKK SUPPORTS.
Let that marinate you Dumb Motherfucker! Go listen to country music.
OBAMA AND CLINTON KILLED BLACK PEOPLE?????????????
DONT EVER COMMENT ON RACE YOU DITZY MOTHERFUCKER!!!!
YOURE THE REASON WHITE PEOPLE GET PUNCHED IN THE FUCKING FACE ON THE TRAIN!!!!! YOURE THE REASON!
FUCK YOU, FUCK TRUMP AND HIS RACIST SUPPORTERS!
Four days for a response, and you come up with that???
Now listen, practically speaking, it came down to Hillary or Trump–one or the other. For all those people complaining about Trump being a racist, what is your view of Hillary through the exact same racial lens? And remember some of the facts I laid out. Oh, and here’s more:
Hillary supports Planned Parenthood–the # 1 killer of black people in my country. Hillary loves its founder Margaret Sanger–KKK supporter (search the photos) and check out Sanger’s quotes on black babies being weeds. And here’s a direct Sanger quote: “We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population…” Search Hillary’s love and admiration for Sanger. Sanger is one of her heroes.
What else? Hillary doesn’t want black Africans to come up. As Secretary of State, she bragged about killing Qaddafi who had plans to economically unite with black Africa.
So, let’s compare Hillary and Trump. It is 100% fair to compare the two in this particular area (or any area) because it was either one or the other.
So, from a purely racial perspective, what is your view of Hillary? What is your view of people who campaigned for Hillary? Are her supporters racist? Are they Nazis? Again these are not rhetorical questions.
Did this Motherfucker say Donald Trump isn’t s racist??????
Yo Abortion is bad LOLLLLLLL.
Those aren’t children you dumb religious fanatic! This dude says your promoting killing back people by being pro-choice????
That’s as stupid as saying Trump isn’t s racist and his followers aren’t racist!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Donald Trump called my Latino people from Mexico “ rapists and drug dealers”. Trump saId people from Kenya are from a “ shit hole country “!
How you gonna compare Hillary to Trump????
You’re the reason we as Black People don’t want you in Hip Hop.
I wish I could meet you in person.
Abortion is murder–nothing to do with religion, but everything to do with science. In 2018 you’ve never seen photos? I bet you’ve probably bodied a few black babies yourself. Doing the work of the Klan. The KKK loves your style! Just like that Chappelle skit. And you love Hillary’s style!
Also learn to critically read and critically listen, and don’t put words in my mouth.
My advice to you is to get off the Establishment Plantation–Left or Right.
So let me ask you once again. It was Trump or Hillary. What is your view on Hillary from the same racial lens that you view Trump? If Hillary is worse–based on the facts of her long public record–then why did I not hear a peep from anyone here or hip hop in general? In fact hip hoppers supported Hillary. Why would black people support Hillary who openly advocates the extermination of black people? Look at her policies, look at who she admires. This is a sincere question. I’ll give you one more chance.
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SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT ABORTION YOU FUCKING DUMB ASS!
Pro-Life has nothing to do with Religion?????????? So I guess Church has nothing to do with religion either.
Who the fuck is your WHITE ASS to talk about Black People when you support Trump’s racist America!!!!!!! AB stay out of Hip-Hop you make all white people look racist.
I dont like Hilary but I would vote for a dead Hilary before a con-man who hates people with dark skin but is married to a White Russian immigrant. A Man who is in cahoots with PUTIN!
Don’t ever talk about Farakhan being racist!!!!!!! YOU SUPPORT DONALD HITLER TRUMP!
You dont deny what trump has said and done but you say Trump is not racist??? EVEN RACISTS KNOW TRUMP IS RACIST! WHY DO YOU THINK THE KKK AND DAVID DUKE SUPPORT HIM????
AB FUCK YOU!
And there it is folks. You deny science. And I said Farrakhan gave support for Trump. So that means you think Farrakhan is racist against black people [and for the record I do not like Farrakhan].
And you know you don’t believe Trump is Hitler. If Trump were Hitler, then folks would be trying to get out of the country, not trying (and literally dying) to get in. And you’d be trying to get out too, wouldn’t you? So stop with the hyperbole–you are disrespecting those who died in the Holocaust. But because you hate facts, you probably deny that too!
And you have no idea what race I am. You can’t imagine that a black person could be off the Liberal Progressive Establishment Left Plantation.
And what if I am white (or Hispanic, Asian, or a Native)? Well, you can’t stand that a non-black person is talking to you in this manner!
So there you are with your assumptions about the race of a person who is checking you. You have no idea what color my skin is, and you can’t stand it!
I have said what I wanted to say. I have injected some facts that people may not have known. You all have read it, and you all can’t un-read it.
Peace to Robbie–every single time! The best hip hop site on the planet. And disrespect always to blacKKK on the Left or the Right. You all can have the last word–I have a feeling you’ll take it.
Question, ab
If you say you’re off the Liberal Progressive Establishment Left Plantation, does that mean you jumped on the Conservative Right Establishment Plantation? I’ve noticed that those who claim to hate Left/Right Political Establishment abhor Hillary, yet i don’t hear the same vitriol towards Trump as much. Why is that?
Btw this is just an observation i made while reading or just talking to those who say they hate both party establishments. Peace
AB did you just ask how we can tell your color?
Anybody defending Donald Trump and saying he is not Racist is whiter than David Duke!!!!
Defending Trump in a Hip Hop forum? That’s like defending Nazi’s in a synagogue! YOURE A WHITE RACIST PIECE of SHIT! You never answered all the facts that proved he is a racist by his own mouth and actions. Any White Person supporting a racist like Trump needs to go country music and leave OUR culture that you’re a guest in to begin with. And being PRO-LIFE in 2018? Take your sexist white racist male mentality back to your trailer park, You racist Devil!!!!
I was going to be done with this, but your question is sincere. I do not like the Establishment Right. I do not consider Trump to be Establishment Right.
By the way, what is your assessment of the folks I was talking with and their views? Did they make quality points?
What are your thoughts on the stuff I pointed out about Hillary and her admiration of Sanger? Hillary and Planned Parenthood? The Qaddafi stuff? Hillary and her love of that guy Byrd? Anything about Farrakhan and Trump?
Hillary vs. Trump–one or the other. From a racial perspective, weighing them against each other, any thoughts? Better, worse, or the same as Trump? All the hip hoppers campaigning for Hillary? Why do you think her racist ties never came up? Sincere questions.
“I do not consider Trump to be Establishment Right.”
Yet he’s doing what the Establishment Right does for the most part. He;s stacking the courts with white, male establishment conservatives such as Neil Gorsuch. He picked for the Environmental Protection Agency a person who denies climate change, like most conservatives. He’s pro-guns, anti abortion(conservative traits). Only thing i can see where he goes against the Establishment would be when he rails against the media. And even then his beef is mostly with the ‘liberal media’ or as he calls it Fake News’.
As for Hillary Clinton, trust me i have PLENTY of issues with her and her past policies(she supported tough-on-crime laws that locked up mostly black and brown people, then called us ‘super-predators’). She also was in charge of the State Dept when Quaddafi got ousted and killed, so she’s also responsible for that. Although i don’t think it would’ve been any different if a Republican was in charge of State Dept, they more than likely went ahead and done the same thing. As for her support of Robert Byrd, not cool at all. But she has apologized for her stance on Crime(and it’s negative effect on minorities) and she was speaking during her campaign on how to end mass incarceration. Which is more than i can say for Trump, who not only supports so-called tough on crime laws, but judging by how much money the Private Prisons spent on electing him i can see why… I’m really not sure that Farrakhan said he supported Trump, more like he’s glad Trump is president because now Black people can see that a post-racial America is a sham.
Btw i’m more a Bernie Sanders supporter and he definitely got robbed by Hillary..
J Force is a Trump Supporter? Man I can’t listen to his shit anymore. I thought he was different than the rest of them but he’s a typical racist Italian. Sucks to find this out.
Trump leans to the Right–no doubt–but he is a maverick, and clearly not part of the Establishment Right. The key word is “Establishment.” Here is my evidence:
–Newt Gingrich (former 2nd in line of succession in the Presidency) appeared on Bill O’Reilly’s Fox show [all Establishment] during the time of Republican-candidate debates and talked about “the panic of the Establishment wing of the party” when he said Trump is “an outsider, not part of the club, uncontrollable, hasn’t been through the initiation rites, didn’t belong to the Secret Society.”
–Farrakhan most definitely supported Trump as president. If you listen to the whole interview with Alex Jones, he said: “we are in the darkest hour of American history, and if we don’t make the right move with the right people at the right time, the America that we know we will not see it become great again.” Also on Chicago’s WGCI he stated: “Donald Trump is destroying every enemy that was an enemy of our rise…the Department of Justice, the Media, FBI,…”
–9/11 skeptic. Dick Cheney said: “he sounds like a liberal Democrat.”
–Taking $1 salary instead of the $400,000 as president [symbolizes he is non-Establishment Right/Left].
–Signed the Right to Try Act into law–gives dying patients the option to try alternative forms of medicine.
–Never-Trumpers: well over 300 Establishment Republicans who vowed to never support Trump if he were the nominee–scores even publicly endorsed Hillary and/or left the party. [search the list]
–G.H.W. Bush and Colin Powell publicly stated that they actually voted for Hillary!
–Cruz, Rubio, Kasich, & other Establishment Right delegates tried to introduce a “conscience clause” that would’ve allowed them to vote against Trump if he were the Republican nominee.
–seeking a true N. Korean peace & Korean unification [Establishment Right never cared in the past, since the 1950s].
–De-segregated his private club Mar-a-Lago–he sued Palm Beach County because it was discriminating against him due to the fact that he allowed blacks & Jews to be members.
–difficulty getting Republican Nat’l Committee financing–in fact they diverted critical funding away from his campaign to other areas.
–Praise from Jesse Jackson both in 1998 & 1999 because Trump supported the Rainbow/PUSH initiative Wall Street Project which helped minority business leaders gain access to Wall Street opportunities. Jackson called him a “friend” who embraced “the under-served communities.”
–anti-Globlist [the Establishment Right is for political and economic global integration] Trump refused to sign G7 Joint Statement, withdrawal from Paris Agreement (no money for Green Climate Fund–Bush W. didn’t do this), never invited to Bilderberg.
–supports amending Civil Rights Act to include equal protection under the law for gays [employment, public accommodations, access to schools…]
–middle-class tax relief: Reagan raised taxes 11 times and GHW Bush said “read my lips, no new taxes…” and you know the rest.
–lowest black unemployment rate since 1972 (6.8%).
–lowest Hispanic unemployment rate since 2007 and second lowest since 1973 (4.9%).
–not invited to the funeral of Barbara Bush.
–not invited to the Royal Wedding [doesn’t get any more Establishment Right than “royalty”].
Trump is a super-interesting case–I’ve never seen anything like it. Trump is an outlier on the Right. And of course that doesn’t mean that he can’t be co-opted, but I don’t see evidence of that yet. I’m looking out for it though.
And I did not like Bernie’s policies, but that movement was about shaking up the Establishment Left. I have respect for you because you saw/see the need to upset the Establishment Left. For folks who lean to the the Left, I say you all should continue shake up the Establishment so that we can have more political options to consider and debate.
“Trump leans to the right” wtf man??
Trump is a pure right wing populist if there ever was anyone.
He wants to build a wall to keep poor immigrants out of the country. He only stopped supporting children being taken from there parents because it became a big thing in the news.
He is in bed w. Giuliani and the rest of the fascist political north America.
His tweets about immigration in Germany are not only pure nonsense (crime committed by non western immigrants are on a historical low point) I live in Denmark w is a neighbouring country to Germany we share boarders. And I’ve lived in Berlin twice already. It’s is also classic right wing / fascist populism. Lets fill the population with race hate no matter if it’s all lies (just as Hitler did to the Jews, homosexuals, Roma population etc) So even though Trump ain’t quite Hitler making genocide to the population he spreads the exact same race hating propaganda
As for pro life. U dont get more right winged conservative than that. It’s scary that people like u are so uninformed in year 2018. Women has fought and died for there right to choose over there own body. Women are doing it in this very moment around the world. And u dare to call it genocide on black people. That is sickening.
I think that DJ Blendz said it best when talking of whether Louis Farrakhan supports Trump or not. No one in there right mind thinks that the minister support a white supremacists like trump Come on man. Wake up and smell the coffee. And u don’t think that a conservative government wouldn’t have went on and killed Gaddafi? That is stupidity to its fullest. Reagan supported,contras all over central America to get rid off lefties killing and torturing civilians and political opposition leaders..
Enough time spent. If u give me that “established right” speach again the I’ll fuckin bang my head against the wall.
I don’t think that I can be any clearer–I took direct quotes and examples from people who are part of the Establishment Right. Their words and actions prove he is not part of their Club. Any thoughts on that?
Reagan was part of the Establishment Right–what’s your point with that? And yes, I agree 100% that the Establishment Right would’ve taken out Farrakhan’s buddy Qaddafi–what’s your point with that?
And abortion = murder. Have you ever seen a sonogram? Sanger founded it to take out blacks and other “undesirables.” Hence genocide–blacks are disproportionately killed in the womb. Trump is against this. It’s a human rights issue for the unborn child. Please look at a sonogram.
Now, I don’t agree with everything Trump does. I am glad he ended the policy of separating children from their parents who entered the country illegally. What is interesting is that that was Obama’s policy and we never heard a peep from the Left then. Obama didn’t end it because he didn’t want to, but Trump did. We can analyze Trump’s motives for doing so, but the bottom line is he ended it and Obama did not! It shows he is willing to change bad policies. And the People should continue to put pressure on him–and all elected servants–to change bad policies.
Lastly, you describe Trump in part as being a “populist.” That description denotes and connotes that he is not Establishment.
Anybody who supports Trump supports racism! So fuck this J Force Racist and AB youre one dumb fucking racist piece of shit!
And I Knew u would come right back with that establishment right Who gives a Fuck?
Ok so he is more in the vein of Fascist far right populist right.
Like don’t giving a fuck about human right. He ain’t pro homo or any thing like that. Give me a break.
So are we in agreement that he is more like classic fascist right wing then?
Anti abortion is pro life and anti women’s right. Take your conspiracy theories somewhere else please
I’m not buying that roc marci album seeing that this trump lover did some beats on the shit. White People supporting Trump are Racists!
Well, I wanted a chat–I just don’t know how fruitful it was. At least some uncomfortable issues were brought up. Still a lot on the table though! It’s time for me to fall back for a while.
@NY Dialect: But where the fuck u get the info from that he is a Trump supporter anyway?
I bought the Marci album and it’s fuckin hot I don’t give a fuck if a Trump supporter made a beat for the album
If u are that sensitive I don’t see how u are visiting the CRC page unkut?
It’s full of rappers that are sexist and homophobic But I guess that’s ok for u?
Pete,
Any white person supporting trump is supporting racism and he’s a huge supporter of trump. I do care if racists our trying to profit off of my culture.
Sexist and Homphobics youre going to compare to RACISTS?
Youre obviously not Black American.
ab, you’re a clown. Donald Trump is a fascistic plutocrat (or if you’d prefer, a plutocratic fascist) who literally put White supremacists on the Whitehouse Payroll. He is not anti establishment or in any way outside the establishment. He is the establishment. He can’t “drain the swamp” because he is the swamp (hence giving government positions to family and friends). It’s a matter of public record he was a racist landlord and that he raped his ex-wife. It’s also a matter of public record that “Trump university” was fraudulent. He’s currently under investigation for being a Russian Asset. Oh! And he described the KKK as “very fine people.” Your Trump apologism/3rd-rate troll contrarianism is dumb as fuck. As for your bigotry re abortion. If you don’t conduct 8 million funerals every time you jerk off into that crusty sock, you’re being a total hypocrite.
As for your dumbass claims that Trump is somehow responsible for record minority employment figures? Do you think the economy is a light switch that can be flipped over night? Whatever upturns you perceive are attributable to the previous administration. Trump is a shit businessman and, by far, the worst US president in living memory.
Good interview Robbie.
I think Trump IS the worst racist scum. No doubt! I still see where J is a Trump supporter but I guess I take u word for it. I don’t get how any hip hop head can be down with trumps program. That really beyond my understanding. But have u heard J coming with racist comments or things in that style? He might be ignorant, he might be against any form of paying taxes, he might think that Hillary is a liberal Cynthia. What do I know. But I find it really hard to believe that J is a racist disliking African Americans. But I might be wrong
PETE CONCRETE,
You must be white lol, You have a hard time believing WHITE People in Hip-Hop can be racist? Most of these white underground rap followers are Trump supporters. Which is an oxymoron but it’s true. J Force is a huge Trump supporter. Look at any of his media pages. THIS IS WHY BLACK PEOPLE CANT TRUST WHITE PEOPLE IN HIP HOP MUSIC.
J Force is a Trump promoter? I will never fuck with his music again ever. Niggas need to not even listen to him ever again. I can only imagine when I tell Marley.
Hip Hoppers boycott anything these idiots who support Donald Trump’s racist America. Typical racist Italian.SMFH.