Yesterday a producer from Philly named Kil emailed a bunch of blogs to tell them about how a beat of his had ended-up on the new M.O.P. album on the track ‘Rude Bastard’, but was credited to Fizzy Womack. Things really got interesting when Lil’ Fame left a response over at the DJ Premier Blog (not Premier’s actual blog, but a fan-site):
FizzyWo said…
Shit happens bro. Tag your beat next time, i just happened to have that record, and did the shit up myself! Your version was way too LQ for us to even use it and trust me nigga, your drums are not rare. i got drums out the woodwork, but thank you for finding the right tuned snare for this sample. It’s not your beat anymore nigga, i re-created (as you did as well) with the same record, so LiL FaMe is the one claim!!! Don’t take it there either, we known to mash out. You know you love that song nigga. Stop crying and figure out your next move. PREEM is NOT riding with blog. Get off his balls.
Brownsvillain.
Ouch.
UPDATE:
The “official” response, via kevin nottingham
From Lil Fame:
Its true I didn’t do the beat “Rude Bastards” as Kil said….I heard it, it was hot and I rhymed on it…I’d never steal a beat, that’s not me…and the quote on the net is not from me I’m looking into who made that statement as me
Laze (M.O.P’s manager) was handling the credits, I gave him the info for who did the beat.
I just saw the finished artwork and my 1st comment was, “I didn’t do that beat why does it say I did”? (Ref. To “rude bastard”)
-Lil Fame aka Fizzy Womack of M.O.P.
^ I still prefer the fake Fame response better…
kinda shady….definitely violates some principles that a lot of crate diggers/beatmakers live by, but hey, that’s why you shouldn’t work with cats unless you know em’ well and you know they ain’t fixin to jerk you…
lol, Fame is ruthless for this one…he actually acknowledges that he just used ole’ boy’s beat for inspiration and then created his own joint….re-using the same snare from the original record though? Kinda suspect…worst nightmare of any producer that’s tryin to get on that’s for sure….
yeah that’s a sheisty move any way you look at it. that post was mostly incoherent: it’s your fault you didn’t tag your beat, i didn’t use your beat because the quality sucked anyway, you use played drums while mine are rare, we all sample so don’t claim there’s an ‘originator’.
shorter post: fuck the integrity of the producer’s art. all the posturing without the unconvincing rationale.
ante up. pretty funny. unless your the guy that just had his beat yapped.
dats fucked str8 up n down.At least give homie a shout so he can get some work in the future or sum shit.don’t know if that was really fame on that blog shit fo real or anyting,tho.
Ill just tell u wt,tho,I thought that “Blow The Horns” beat was statik selektor til I seent the credits.Or even MadLibz.I mean,how you gon go from a straight banger like that,to the halfass beats on the rest of the album?!Just saying tho.
i was hopin Fizzy had a good explanation but after reading his rationale..homey got juked lol,no excuses.
lmao… that “ohilly” prodcuer better step his game up QICK now…
Word!! My man Fizzy be gettin busy, straight up and down
MOP goes Puffy style
How low can you go
Doesn’t matter if he remade the beat, he still stole the idea. Lil’ Lame. He loses points as a producer for this one.
I wouldn’t mind, but other than the vocal sample, both beats sound like clunky 9th Wonder throwaways.
that beat is great, lol that producer can’t feel too good about this situation. still we all know Fame is a good producer though, he been lazing alot of heat – one of them cats that breathe hip-hop straight up n down. his work on “Wu-Tang Chamber Music” was insane too.
Great. Stuff like this makes me like M.O.P even more. And they were one of my favorites anyway.
The Brownsvillin all day..Fizzy Wo!!
That MOP bredda got no beat-game!…
I don’t know man – dude posted his track – shit is identical, not just “the same snare” – I love MOP but this looks mad shady
http://kevinnottingham.com/2009/09/10/m-o-p-producer-jacks-beat-for-new-m-o-p-album/
Here’s what went down….
Back in September 2008, MOP, Joe Buddens, Termanology and Big Shugg came down to Sonar in B’more and me and my peeps go to the show. I pass out beat cd’s to Term, Joe and during MOP’s show I give it to Laze E Laze’s son (some young nigga) who’s the hype man. Now, fast forward to September 2009 and I’m listening to MOP’s Foundation album on my way home from work and when track #9 “Rude Bastard” comes on….it’s MY FUCKING BEAT! Not the same sample, the SAME BEAT! Drum programming, sample, chops…the whole damn beat! Then my man Mills does the knowledge for me to see who got credit for the track on the album and it says “produced by Fizzy Womack”! So…I don’t get a check, I don’t get credit…I don’t even get co production credit! And I’m not looking for no “feel sorry for me” or none of that hoopla…I’m just asking for cats to let ANYONE who ya’ll know who loves hip hop to know who did the track so I can @ least get credit from my peers (hip hop fans and other producer’s grinding out there)for the beat. I’ve been grinding @ this beat thing for YEARS and for my first placement for a major artist to be a jack move…it just ain’t right…but it is what it is…like I said do me this justice and @ least let the hip hop heads ya’ll know that the bol Kil from Philly gave MOP THAT heat…not no fucking Fizzy Womack…
My version:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/65377958304f90dc/
Beat Biting MOP:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/6537786103b91adb/
And to the nigga who said after hearing this he loves MOP that much more…if KNOWING a nigga stole somebody else’s shit and called it there’s makes you like the group MORE…I’d HATE to be on your team….99.9% of cats who hear this is like “word? MOP get down like that…that’s fucked up” but not your .1%…it’s all good…prayerfully they’ll let you into their next show for free for the loyalty you have shown…you’re a honary brownville nigga now…lol…
hmmm… so it’s “ether” when Fame basically tells dude “yeah, i heard your shit, took your idea, and did it how i wanted to”… but Just Blaze and the folk who worked on CL2 were being unoriginal?
In-ter-est-ing.
-D!
Na, he jacked the entire beat, drums and all. That’s a real rookie move for some industry vets to pull.
Yeah, “shit is identical”– probably because neither did much with the sample! Lil Fame could’ve switched up the drums a bit more (the only “original” part of the beat), but fools have been using the same beats and loops since the dawn of time. It’s a part of the game.
Happened to me once…Skys The Limit got jacked from the kid right here back in the day I chopped up My Flame by Boby Cadwell and had the Abel drums under it for DV alais Khrist.
Puff heard it on a beat tape and asked Clark what the sample was and to recreate it and Clark didnt know I did the original or had sold the beat. To this day I do not know if Puff knew it was my beat tape or not. I suspect he didnt but I could be wrong.
Shit was wak it almost got me beat up By Trigger and Smooth and them and those guys always thought I fucked em on the beat and swore I did the joint for Big when they first heard it.
Big’s joint 99 pct the same as mine down to the drum chops and breakdowns shit was uncanny. The irony was and is that Clark’s my man 50 grand and never knew till after the fact.
Shit had me stirred for years and I never got a check, never got to fuck with Big for it but all involved know what happened. Real talk but I hold no grudges Puffs a fuck. Clarks my man still 15 years after the fact.
D Ross
Hey Dante, is that why you punched Puff in the face? I read that in an interview somewhere.
just because someone achieves a level of fame through music does not mean they become a better person. if you start out as a dirty, scumbag piece of shit, you’ll probably still be one further down your career. ie lil fame
for them peoples out there that say it’s ok,they like MOP even more after that jack move..let’s turn the situation around now,lets say this dude Kil had stolen the beat from Fame,what would u think..would u now think shit was ‘cool’ or would u call him a cornball..stop riding ur favorite groups so hard,it’s unhealthy
I’ve just changed my decision to purchase “Foundation.” Looks like an illegal download is at hand. Good luck making money when you pull shit like this!
yeah i think i recall biting to be like one of the top ten no-no’s in the rap game, i guess biting a beat may not be as bad as biting a style or lyrics, but its pretty damn similar, basically pretending you did some shit you really ain’t do, fizzy womack, the milli vanilli of the rap game? eh, who knows if it’ll stick, but what do you really expect from rappers who brag about kidnapping fools, kidnapping beats is just so much easier
thats fucked up..us up and coming producers dream to get a placement..thats fucked…MOP hit the nigguh off wit a stack man,…and put em wit yall man Dan Green
“rude bastards” is one of the better songs on the new album.
yo fame! if you liked his beat… give kil some work!!! it would be cool.
Hey, here’s an idea. Write and play your own music and nobody will steal it from you. How much credit do you really deserve for taking 15 minutes to slightly rearrange a recording that took some real musicians a life time to learn to play up to and $100,000+ worth of recording equipment in a properly treated studio with an engineer who knew his shit back in the 1970s?
I find this messed up, especially after MOP was trying to sue the WWE for jacking Ante Up for John Cena’s ring music
The above response from Lil Fame is false. Read Fame’s OFFICIAL STATEMENT here:
http://kevinnottingham.com/2009/09/13/lil-fame-releases-official-statement-regarding-beat-jacking-allegations/
^^It seems like Fame’s mgr. got “sum ‘splainin to doo”
i don’t like both beats anyway.
i think MOP put their feet over a big piece of shit like your shoes never really get completely clean again even if you try.
by the way, in my humble opinion the only thing i know for shure is that producers need to work much more on their samples. if your beat is so easy to be remade from the original song, the only one who can be pissed off is the artist that made it.
who cares. if all this kil dude wants is his dues for doing the doing the beat…..done. dead issue. he got more press this way than if it was credited correctly by a mile.
is it just me or does anyone else find it really really really hard to imagine Fizzy Wo on some internets shit reading a fake preemo blog?
Anyways . . .
@ reeves… you know we talking about hip hop here right? Hip Hop IS records, period. Shut the fuck up with that “Here’s an idea, play live instruments on your shit.” That’s what makes shitty hip hop songs. It sucked when Sugar Hill did it, it sucks now. and I’d want to see the beat you come up with in 15 minutes… you ever touched an MPC or ASR.10? have fun at your guitar lesson today duke-o, and leave the outlaw music to the outlaws… Steal sounds straight up yall, Preem’s mouthpiece has said it for years, “nobody owns no loops, it’s how you hook em up and the rhyme style troop.” All Fame did was further this point (and make it even more criminal which is always better for hip hop). The one thing you are right about is that a guy who stole in the first place shouldn’t trip if he in return gets stolen from, ’cause that’s like crime 101, criminal karma. It’s all out there for the taking, and breaking down the copyright laws and bullshit sampling clearances will evolve music (peep Jamacia’s steelo). Guys like Fame are the revolutionaries throwing tea in the harbor for a better tomorrow. And, $100,000+ sho ya right! where was Champ by the Mohawks recorded… uh huh yeah, I’m sure is was some “properly treated studio” GTFOH (do you know the record I speak of and how it has been used to make some of the greatest hip hop over and over again for almost the last 35 years? If that’s not a proper tribute for the original artist, who would have no doubt remained in obscurity otherwise, I don’t know what is…) what does “properly treated” even mean? if you bring up the roots in rebuttal I’ll stab myself in the face…. please take the time to get at least the gist of the culture before commenting in a forum that is obviously steeped in that knowledge….. great post robbie
the expensive studio climate you refer to in the 70’s was the norm that is true, but hip hop was the underpriviledged’s reaction to that exclusivity from having to pay so much just to express how they felt about a shitty situation, so they said fuck it and straight up took that shit (good for them and good for our ears)… remember when hip hop was like a big fuck you to the establishment, its laws, and the norms of mainstream society in general, remember? that was the shit… Fuck the rich and their properly treated studios….
Fizzy needs to shut the fuck up! He stole the man’s beat and he should give him his credit. Period. Every producer wants their credit for making a beat so the man should get his credit.
Fizzy needs to shut the fuck up! He stole the man’s beat and he deserves his creit. Period. Every producer want their credit for making a beat, so give the man his credit. It’s that damn simple.
This is really about the bigger issue of biting. That shit used to be the wackest thing you could possibly do.
Someone is taking Ante up a little too far…. As an artist (dj, emcee, graff writer) you take pride in your shit, and you don’t want anyone else jacking it. That is a lame ass move.
i’m glad that there still exists hip-hop heads with principles. unfortunately we’re in the underwhelming minority. this type of ish happens every day. alot of stuff is illusions and lies. most people in rap music has abandoned the principles that made rap represent the culture so strongly. rap music has been going down the tubes due to the gangster/street/don-diva fascination. with that type of thing going on, there just simply is nothing honorable about it. there are no codes–it is a lie. why do people get so mad about snitching? that has been an integral part of the street game–more than not tattling.
i digress, but not really. if people buy into the lie that hip-hop music is about ‘the streets’ and define the streets how they’re currently defining it, then what Fame pulled–he stole a song (’87 stick-up kids-Danze-style)–is to be expected. this is what heads celebrate when they cop the DVDs or the hood legends and american gangsters, right?
this rap mercantilism is creating challenges for the culture. we’ll rise, though.
BUT LET’S PEEP THE GAME FROM A DIFFERENT ANGLE:
That cat Kil from Philly will probably get MORE PUBLICITY as “the producer that MOP stole from” than if he was just another co-producer’s credit on an album that most people download anyway (and don’t read ANY credits anyway)…
^ you are absolutely right… so from all angles, what is the downside of stealing? THERE IS NONE,in the end everybody really knows who did what, that’s why sampling is the dopest shit evah!! Financial compensation is of course a whole separate concern, but nobody’s just gonna be fair and give you that shit either, in the music business you basically have to TAKE everything you get, and if your stomach is not strong enough for that shit maybe you in the wrong game
MOP is scary rap….they yell too much.
So it’s The Supremes right?
Lame I got that same sample so It’s pretty common I feel the pain though of any producer trying to get on and somebody jerks em…